bobfriedman Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 So I was doing some painting with light and figured I would try some UV stimulated resonance fluorescence into the visible. (Yes.. I did see Andy's nice work) Nikon D850, AF-S VR Nikkor 200/2G25s f/13.0 at 200.0mm iso31 Nikon D850, AF-S VR Nikkor 200/2G61s f/13.0 at 200.0mm iso31 Link to comment
colinbm Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Beautiful images Bob.Could you talk about it all a bit more please..... Link to comment
bobfriedman Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 not much to discuss really.. both images in a dark room the first image illuminated with a visible torch to paint in the subjects... the second identical setup but with a Nichia torch with a U-340 filter. folks here call this UVIVF Link to comment
bobfriedman Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 as far as painting with light (all visible like the first image), you might check this link.. https://haroldrossfineart.wordpress.com/video-tips-and-techniques/ Link to comment
Andy Perrin Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Gourd-ous! They look like ducks to me. Link to comment
Cadmium Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Bob, Looks great! They reminded me of ducks also. Three ducks, the one in the middle either sleeping or not doing too well... Link to comment
Stefano Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 I like how especially the first gourd on the left has two colors with a sharp transition. Nice images overall, both visible and fluorescence. Link to comment
dabateman Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Gourd-ous! They look like ducks to me. After you said ducks, I now see the left and right arguing over whom killed the middle one.Great composition. Link to comment
Andrea B. Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Bob, you make such good photos. Wondering why gourds fluoresce? Are they coated with something? Link to comment
Stefano Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Wondering why gourds fluoresce? Are they coated with something?Well, pretty much anything fluoresces under UV, except for (in my experience) water (and snow) and air. There could be hundreds of different chemicals responsible for the fluorescence, and finding them is not easy. Unless you use a spectrometer, it is almost impossible. (I don't think a coating is the reason of the fluorescence, but it may play a role). Link to comment
Andrea B. Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Nah, not all that much is fluorescent. .....arguments to the contrary always welcomed, of course.....I'm always willing to be proved wrong. I have a gourd like the left one in Bob's photo. Its green area seems to fluorese slightly red (chlorophyll?), but the orange neck not much at all. Link to comment
Andy Perrin Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Andrea, I’m not sure why you are saying not much fluoresces? My experience has been more like Stefano describes. Definitely the brightness varies considerably though. Link to comment
Cadmium Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Yep, almost everything fluoresces. Some. It is hard to find things that will not show some fluorescence when illuminated by a UV-only torch. Example:Here is brown cardboard, but even black rubber can fluoresce, depending. The illuminated area on the right is 100% fluorescence. Link to comment
Andrea B. Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Definitely the brightness varies considerably though. Yep. It's easy to confuse the reflection of the emitted light off non-fluorescent parts of a subject as fluorescence.But I still don't think that all that many things fluoresce. :devil: The green parts of my gourds seem to fluoresce a little bit red from the chorophyll. The yellow/orange carotenoids do not fluoresce under 365nm IIRC. I think you need a much lower wavelength to induce some UV fluorescence in carotenoids. (Look up??) Anyway, that's neither here nor there, it is just that the cyan fluorescence in the second photo in the first post has me a bit baffled. Link to comment
Cadmium Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Your not looking for brightness, you are looking for purity. Any added brightness is from visual rang light, you want that removed. Almost everything fluoresces some. Hard to find anything that will not show some dim florescence.Put your UV glasses on, turn off all your lights, and go around looking for anything that will not show some light when you point your UV torch at it.Of course, some of that will be dust, but look at the material, something clean and something black.Everything...You said I could disagree. Why is the cyan baffling? Link to comment
Andy Perrin Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Yeah, when you have eliminated all visible light from the torch, any other light you are seeing is coming from fluorescence of SOMEthing. It's true you can get one material fluorescing and an adjacent one reflecting it, but that doesn't mean it's not also fluorescing (although it may be hard to work out what color). Link to comment
Andrea B. Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Why is the cyan baffling? I have a bunch of gourds here. Some like in the photo. No cyan fluorescence. A bit of red fluor from the green areas. Link to comment
Andy Perrin Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Andrea I have two gourds and one of them has developed cyan stripes over the course of the last month. I would suggest that the cyan might be due to a mould or fungus on the surface (and maybe not very visible to the eye without fluorescence). Link to comment
bvf Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Beautiful photos, Bob. The similarity to a group of birds has just got to be intended! What I don't understand, and I don't think is covered in the discussion above, is why the dark blue/green areas of the "dead" duck and its murderer on the right are so different under fluorescence. Is it what Andy says - the gourds are of different ages and one has started growing a fungus? Link to comment
bobfriedman Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 the gourds are of different ages and one has started growing a fungus? no idea. Link to comment
colinbm Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 no idea. Why does there seem to be a cut-off in the area of fluorescence & non ? Link to comment
Andrea B. Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 I would suggest that the cyan might be due to a mould or fungus on the surface (and maybe not very visible to the eye without fluorescence). That's what I'm thinking. Why does there seem to be a cut-off in the area of fluorescence & non ? Not all pigments fluoresce similarly (or at all) under 365 nm UV stimulation. The orange carotenoids, for example. And if the cyan fluor is due to organic deterioration, then the undeteriorated gourds would not have that. Link to comment
colinbm Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 I would suggest that the cyan might be due to a mould or fungus on the surface (and maybe not very visible to the eye without fluorescence). That's what I'm thinking. Why does there seem to be a cut-off in the area of fluorescence & non ? Not all pigments fluoresce similarly (or at all) under 365 nm UV stimulation. The orange carotenoids, for example. And if the cyan fluor is due to organic deterioration, then the undeteriorated gourds would not have that. The individual fruit seem to be bifurcated in where they fluoresce & don't fluoresce, ie the top half does not fluoresce & the bottom half does fluoresce ? Link to comment
Andy Perrin Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Yeah, I noticed that with mine also. The fungus or whatever it is did not grow evenly on all parts of the gourd. It seemed to “like” some areas more than others. Link to comment
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